Pledge to Fight Back
Updated May 2, 2012
As far as Australia, SNAP's plight from the Goliath-bully Bill Donohue and the Vatican Totalitarian Regime is getting well known, read also our latest related article, Hypocrite Benedict silenced Fr Tony Flannery – A compilation… but he does not silence Cardinal Bernard Law and JP2 Army – John Paul II Pedophile Priests http://popecrimes.blogspot.ca/2012/04/hypocrite-benedict-silenced-outspoken.html
Updated April 22, 2012 What planet is the Missouri judge living in for ordering SNAP to turn its 20 year records to the church? See news update for April 22 below
This post contains a compilation of all the articles of Goliath-bully Bill Donohue against David & SNAP & victims of the JP2 Army-John Paul II Pedophile Priests Army, so check on its update regularly. It also contains a continuous update of the articles of the defenders and allies of David & SNAP and victims of the JP2 Army. Unlike in the Bible, it will take more than one pebble to beat Goliath-bully Bill Donohue -- it will take the MSM main stream media journalists just like
If you know more articles to add to this compilation, please email it to us via comment or email. Thank you in advance.
Goliath-bully Bill Donohue & Catholic League attacks on SNAP
Update August 10, 2012
August 09, 2012
Catholic Espionage Groups Infiltrate SNAP Convention for Second Consecutive Year
http://anticatholicleague.typepad.com/anticatholic_league/2012/08/catholic-espionage-groups-infiltrate-snap-convention-for-second-consecutive-year.htmlBy David Fortwengler
Two groups affiliated with the Catholic Church consider the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests (SNAP) so dangerous and evil that they are using the same warlike tactics as the CIA. Last year Bill Donohue of the Catholic League planted two of his troops surreptitiously into enemy-held territory when he had them register for and attend the SNAP National Conference in
The Catholic League’s and The Media Report’s hatred of SNAP is so intense they are willing to use some convoluted version of the “just war theory” to infiltrate SNAP’s conference. Donohue claims the registration for the conference was open to the public so he believes his spies did nothing morally wrong or sinful by lying about their presence. The SNAP convention advertises its meeting as a gathering of survivors, their supporters and advocates. Since SNAP does not make attendees go to confession to explain their presence Donohue and
Since 2002 I have often wondered how “in the pew” Catholics justify their membership in the church. Do they not believe in the corruption of the hierarchy, do they understand the scope and nature of the scandal, do they believe anti-catholicism is the cause, and what mental gymnastics are used to separate their faith from the crimes committed by clergy? Since I am no longer catholic I never thought it was appropriate to violate someone’s right to worship on Sunday and ask these questions. However, the tactics used by the Catholic League and The Media Report have caused me to change my mind. I will be going underground this Sunday and enter a Catholic Church to talk with parishioners. I will use the same justification as the anti-survivor hate groups, church is open to the public. In fact, most of them have a sign somewhere that says, “All Welcome”.
Excellent assessment David. I was stunned that these guys feel it is appropriate to sneak around in a group that is trying to help victims heal. Its stunning that they call themselves Christian. Posted by: David Lorenz | August 09, 2012 at 12:18 PM
Bill Donohue needs a fishing rod and an airline ticket to
Posted by: Verity | August 09, 2012 at 11:56 PM
In case you haven't got the memo: SNAP is the Church created as damage control and counter-intelligence by the Dominicans out of
Please google Victims of Silence@Bulletinboards.com and read what the victims have documented about SNAP's creation and it's treatment of the people they claim to represent.
P.S. How can the Church i.e. SNAP be infiltrated by itself i.e. the Catholic League and the Media Report?
This is all a big show put on so the victims won't even be spoken about....or to.
I am a compensated victim from L.A.Calif. and have worked around SNAP since 2003.
I know of what I speak. I also handcuffed myself to Cardinal Mahoney's throne in the middle of mass. And did jail time for it. More time than 99% of the rapists and their pimps have ever done.
Hey Jim, I understand that many survivors don't believe SNAP speaks for them. However, I don't believe that SNAP is a part of, or a tool of the church. My post is not about defending SNAP anyway, it is about the gall of these groups to sneak around victims trying to heal. ps - When I attend church this weekend I won't be handcuffing myself to a priests chair. I'm not as brave you. I remember when you did that and thought it was a powerful example of civil disobedience.
Update May 2, 2012
ABC Radio National (Australia)
In the United States recently, in the dioceses of St Louis and Kansas City in Missouri, church leaders have issued subpoenas demanding access to the records of the organisation called SNAP, Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests. SNAP is mainly a counselling and support group and many victims have given details of their cases, even if they do not want to prosecute perpetrators. Into the bargain, one of the leading conservative Catholic voices, William Donohue of the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights, told The New York Times recently that SNAP was 'a menace to the Catholic Church' and said the church needed to 'toughen up and buy some good lawyers'. The national director of SNAP, David Clohessy, explains the nature of the legal challenge that his organisation faces.
Update April 22, 2012
Attorneys for the diocese sought records stretching back more than 20 years from the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests in an effort to determine whether SNAP has been coaching victims and plaintiffs to say they repressed memories of abuse for years.
SNAP has strongly denied coaching victims.
If defense lawyers can prove that the plaintiffs did not actually suppress memories of sexual abuse for decades, judges would have to throw out the lawsuits under a five-year statute of limitations that the Missouri Supreme Court reaffirmed in 2006, The Kansas City Star reported.
National Catholic Reporter
By Joshua J. McElwee
Lawyers representing at least four accused priests in the diocese will have access to a wide range of documents from the files of the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests (SNAP). The judge ordered SNAP to handover nearly all its files “relating to sexual or other misconduct by priests in the diocese,” and for SNAP director David Clohessy to undergo a second deposition.
The order is yet to be officially filed but was handed down by Jackson County, Mo., Circuit Court Judge Ann Mesle following nearly four hours of arguments between lawyers this afternoon.
Anglocat on the Prowl
Catholic League president Bill Donohue comments on the director of the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests (SNAP), David Clohessy, and its outreach director, Barbara Dorris:
Yesterday I said, “[David] Clohessy never tires of lecturing the Catholic Church on the need for transparency, yet when he is in the hot seat he rebels.” I was referring to his anger at being subpoenaed to testify in a St. Louis court on Monday regarding public statements he made that were allegedly taken from lawyer Rebecca Randles in violation of a court gag order. Now Clohessy is justifying a double standard.
“We believe that there are two standards of transparency,” Clohessy said. He maintained there is one standard for “institutions that have enabled thousands of pedophiles,” and another for “organizations that enable kids to be safer and expose heinous crimes.” In other words, there should be one standard of justice for the Catholic Church, and another for SNAP.
A defense lawyer seized the moment. He noted that Clohessy wants bishops to suspend accused priests “the minute they are sued for abuse.” Accordingly, he then asked, does this mean SNAP should close its doors immediately if it is sued for defamation or libel? Clohessy flatly said, “No.” Interestingly, Clohessy refused to answer many questions during his deposition, complaining that “Church defense lawyers will likely ask that we be found in contempt of court and possibly fined or possibly jailed.” Reporters described him as looking “shaken and teary-eyed.”
Clohessy is quoted as saying the following about St. Louis Archbishop Robert Carlson: “Archbishop Carlson and his brother Catholic bishops have hired, hidden, transferred, defended and enabled child molesters. SNAP hasn’t. Carlson and his colleagues have ignored and concealed their crimes. SNAP hasn’t.”
Catholic League president Bill Donohue comments as follows:
I will leave it to Archbishop Carlson’s lawyers to respond to Clohessy, but I cannot allow the SNAP director to lie about his own personal involvement in the cover-up of a known child molester.
Donohue summarizes his report as follows:
David Clohessy claims that he doesn’t have to turn over most of the requested documents, or answer many of the questions. Why? Because SNAP is a rape crisis center, and therefore its confidentiality is protected under
Clohessy counsels alleged victims of abuse for a living, yet he admits to having no training whatsoever. He confessed that he does his unlicensed counseling in places like Starbucks; he also “consoles” his clients over the phone. Furthermore, there is not a single employed licensed counselor on SNAP’s staff. Moreover, he could not state a single instance where SNAP has paid for a licensed counselor to counsel a specific person.
We now know from the deposition of SNAP director David Clohessy that he has been (a) lying to the media about his work (b) falsely advertising his group as a rape crisis center (c) working with unseemly lawyers (d) exploiting his clients by providing unauthorized “counseling” services (e) ripping off those who are truly in need of help by failing to contribute even a dime for licensed counselors, and (f) pursuing priests on the basis of legal criteria he admits he cannot explain.
Furthermore, we know from two people who went undercover last summer to a SNAP conference in the D.C. area that the Catholic Church is regarded by these activists as “the evil institution.” Yet when the bishops finally decide to play hardball, they are slammed by the New York Times!
When the Times is sued, does it hire wimpy lawyers? Does it allow itself to be a punching bag? Not on your life: they hire the most aggressive attorneys they can buy. But when the bishops follow suit, they’re accused of not showing “reconciliation” for the victims.
The Catholic League’s 2011 Annual Report on Anti-Catholicism is now available. It covers all the major issues that the Catholic League dealt with in 2011, along with many others that came to our attention.
The report covers the following areas: activist organizations; the arts; business/workplace; education; government; and the media.
There are special sections as well: our exposé of the Survivors Network of Those Abused by Priests (SNAP); our response to a Rolling Stone article and a Philadelphia Inquirer editorial on the Archdiocese of Philadelphia; a reprint of our ads in defense of the Catholic Church that appeared in the New York Times and the Chicago Tribune; a lengthy analysis of the John Jay Report on Sexual Abuse; a detailed account of the attacks on Bishop Robert Finn by SNAP and the Kansas City Star; and a section on the War on Christmas
Catholic League president Bill Donohue comments on those who continue to defend the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests (SNAP):
Is SNAP's David Clohessy Really a Hypocrite?
Last week we released a report on SNAP that showed beyond a reasonable doubt what an utter fraud the organization is (click here to read it). It was not an essay; it was not an op-ed; it was not conjecture; it was not our opinion. It was the voice of David Clohessy, the director of SNAP. When coupled with our report last summer on the proceedings of its national convention (it offered irrefutable proof of its hate-filled agenda) it cannot be maintained by any serious observer what SNAP is all about.
The credibility of those who continue to defend this wholly discredited organization is on the line. That would include the editorial board of the New York Times and the Newark Star-Ledger (the latter offered a particularly vicious statement), as well as pundits such as Andrew Sullivan. That the near-moribund National Organization for Women and the Feminist Majority should weigh in is not surprising: though SNAP has nothing to do with women’s rights, it has everything to do with attacking the Catholic Church, and that is music to the ear of radical feminists. But it is Frank Bruni, an op-ed columnist for the New York Times, who needs to be answered more than anyone; he loves SNAP.
By Nicholas Phillips
Tue., Jan. 10 2012 Recently in both
SNAP director David Clohessy often impugns the Church for failing to deal transparently with clerical sex abuse. Is it hypocritical for him to balk at releasing his group's correspondence with victims, journalists and others?
Catholic League president Bill Donahue apparently thinks so, suggesting in the Post-Dispatch last week that:
Clohessy never tires of lecturing the Catholic Church on the need for transparency, yet when he is in the hot seat, he rebels.
Daily RFT asked Clohessy by e-mail for his reaction.
He roundly rejects any moral equivalence. Here's what he wrote to us:
Transparency about criminals helps protect the vulnerable. Transparency about victims hurts the already-hurting.
When victims' privacy is respected, more victims are able to speak up, protect others, expose predators and start healing. When victims' privacy is violated, more victims stay silent, more predators walk free and more innocent people are assaulted.
Who benefits when the private e mails of a struggling teenager, who was sexually assaulted for years by her priest, are given to Archbishop Carlson and his lawyers? That's not "transparency." That's a travesty. That's brutality. That's betrayal.
Donohue's comments come in the wake of two Missouri Catholic dioceses sending subpoenas for deposition testimony to David Clohessy, a SNAP founder and spokesperson. From reading the deposition transcripts of Clohessy's testimony, it was evident that the lawyers were more interested in the internal finances and operation of SNAP rather than the sex abuse lawsuits that were purported to be the subject of the deposition.
Of course, the actions of these two dioceses does not make for a conspiracy of US bishops against SNAP. But, in case the bishops are entertaining such a notion, here's why they shouldn't do it: 1)SNAP's mission is to serve and assist those who've been abused by priests, ministers, counselors and other authority figures, 2)they want to hold the Catholic Church and other institutions accountable for the actions and behavior of their ministers and priests, 3)as the article correctly points out, such a strategy would make the Catholic Church look like Goliath taking on David ie. it would be seen as a bullying tactic and an attempt to silence an organization that does much good, and finally, 4)SNAP wouldn't exist or need to exist any longer if the Catholic bishops had done their job by taking care of those abused and reporting abuse to law enforcement.
It's really as simple as that.
Over the weekend, lawyers, columnists, reporters, psychiatrists, and activists attended the “10th Anniversary Celebration & Conference” in
Commenting on the outcome is Catholic League president Bill Donohue:
A whopping 75 people turned out for the conference, 25 of whom were the speakers. How embarrassing. It’s clear that the professional victims’ lobby is spent. Everyone else has moved on, but those who have an ideological, emotional or financial interest in continuing this saga cannot let go. What a pitiful bunch of malcontents.
Catholic League president Bill Donohue comments on a front-page story in today’s Boston Globe on alleged victims of priestly sexual abuse who are speaking up on the occasion of the tenth anniversary of the Globe’s series on the scandal in the Boston Archdiocese:
Many Catholics that I have spoken to, including the clergy, have grown weary of those who claim they were victimized by a priest decades ago and are still not satisfied with the Church’s response. No matter what the Church does—doling out millions, providing endless counseling and therapy, mandating training sessions for every employee to guard against abuse—it’s never enough. It’s time for some straight talk: these people don’t want to move on, and that’s because they have too much invested in maintaining their victim status.
Consider the remarks printed in today’s Boston Globe by alleged victims.
◦“The church has failed miserably, miserably, miserably”
◦“I’m very underwhelmed”
◦“I don’t think it’s anything [the reforms] to brag about”
◦“If anything, it’s worse than we ever thought”
Catholic League president Bill Donohue comments as follows:
The professional victims’ lobby is meeting in
• Actors and artists will set the tone with melodramatic precision
• Activists from SNAP, along with a suspended priest, will discuss their conspiracy theories about the “evil institution”
• Two psychiatrists and a psychologist will entertain the crowd with their fully discredited notions about “repressed memory”
• Bigoted lawyers will delight the audience by drawing analogies between Islamic terrorists and the Vatican
• Reporters and columnists who are so full of hate that they can’t see straight will recount their paranoid stories
David & SNAP's allies
Survivors Network of Those Abused by Priests
We call on Catholic church employees and members - from Cardinal Tim Dolan on down - to publicly denounce and stop these mean-spirited and intimidating attacks. Until America's bishops forcefully condemn and stop using these brutal tactics, parishioners and the public will believe what Mr. Donahue maintains: that bishops "have come together collectively" to "better toughen up."
These hardball legal maneuvers by church officials make it harder for citizens to report known and suspected crimes and harder for police and prosecutors to arrest and convict criminals. They make it tougher for suffering victims to get the help they so desperately need and deserve. And they violate Constitutionally-protected freedoms of speech and association and privacy.
The Roman Catholic Church is an internationally recognized promoter of child abuse having multiple documented allegations of sexual abuse in over thirty countries around the world including its home base,
Based on the truths above, giving the lawyers for the Roman Catholic Church unfettered access to Snap files is the moral equivalent of giving the Mafia unlimited access to FBI files. It is simply unconscionable! Did the church take advantage of the hole created by an imprudent jurist? You bet they did. They opened a six-lane highway and lined it with dumpsters prepared to take away everything they could get away with. The proof is in the transcripts from Mr. Clohessy’s deposition. The church went back twenty-three years though the incident in question only happened recently. In six hours of deposition given by Mr. Clohessy, most of the questions had nothing to do with the case of Rev. Michael Tierney who is accused by four people of sexual abuse. The NY Times tells us, “most of the questions were not about the case but about the network — its budget, board of directors, staff members, donors and operating procedures.” Surely the jurist could have limited the scope of the deposition as has been done so many times to so many victims trying to depose church leaders.
This is an unparalleled attack on Snap and as Bill Donohue, the church’s mouthpiece, tells us; it was a centrally planned attack supported by the fact they recently filed a similar fishing expedition suit in
The target of the
And now we are the crux of the matter, money: the hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church worships at the altar of dead presidents. The clergy abuse scandal has cost them dearly and they are targeting the organization which the largest number of survivors seeking help turn to when they wish to go public. The church holds SNAP responsible for their losses. How sad that after ten years in the spotlight, hundreds of millions of dollars spent fighting the truth, and countless survivors trampled, some so badly they committed suicide, that the hierarchy has still refused to look in the mirror. They are the source of their own problems and have yet to come to grips with it. However, the laity is beginning to recognize the source of the church’s problems, which is causing the bishops more angst and money. Thus in the fashion of a cornered animal, they are lashing out.
Regardless of the outcome in either
Let those that have ears hear and those that have voices speak out against this travesty.
The Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests, or SNAP, is the target of one such suit. The church is asking a court to force SNAP to turn over 20 years worth of email correspondence between the group and victims, journalists and whistle-blowers, a demand that SNAP officials say would cripple their ability to continue supporting victims of sexual assault.
The church would not comment to the New York Times citing a judge’s order, but radical conservative Bill Donohue, president of the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights, had plenty of words for victims and their supporters:
The New York Times
File this under oh my god:
That’s William Donohue, head of the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights, explaining the Catholic Church’s new “get tough” strategy to silence and shut down those meanie rape and abuse victims and their advocates, by trying to bury SNAP in a barrage of costly and irrelevant legal proceedings.
SNAP is the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests. According to the New York Times, it has three paid staff members, and its revenue in 2010 was a whopping $
another old woman
"Turning the tables" -- another way of saying --- "in an attempt to avoid prosecution for proven wrong doing". The utter immorality of the Roman Catholic Church is stunning. These are the evil men who claim some "moral high-ground" when they attack the rights of women.
National Survivor Advocates Coalition
The Roman Catholic Bishops of the United States have decided to take a “do as I say, not as I do” approach to the sexual abuse crisis as evidenced in the hard ball tactic of an dredging operation legal strategy against the Survivors Network for Those Abused by Priests (SNAP).
We call the attention of Catholics and all men and women of goodwill to the article in today’s New York Times.
The indictment of Kansas City/St. Joseph’s Bishop Robert Finn has certainly stepped up the fear factor on the Church’s part.
With an architecture of subpoenas and depositions built with the tools of heavy handed intimidation this strategy makes a mockery of Pope Benedict’s call to “do everything possible” to aid survivors if one assumes he meant it in a good way.
The New York Times
Published: March 12, 2012
NY Times Reports on David Clohessy's Deposition, Bill Donohue Speaks of Bishops' Role in Bullying SNAP
The New York Times
The Media Report
Today's paper (Tue., 3/13/12) has plastered a front-page article by religion editor Laurie Goodstein that is largely a sympathetic portrait of the anti-Catholic organization.
Goodstein's narrative is predictable: Big Catholic Church: bad and mean. Little-ol' SNAP: innocent and good.
Goodstein ignores SNAP's lengthy history of deception and nastiness. For example, Goodstein writes:
The Usual Suspects: NY Times, Dissident Priest Support Anti-Catholic SNAP With Falsehoods, Attacks on Church
The Media Report
Yesterday (Tue., 3/13/12), the Times plastered a sympatheic, front-page portrait of the anti-Catholic advocacy group in an apparent attempt to intimidate the Church from defending itself through the legal process. We have already exposed the dishonest nature of the article (which was written by religion editor Laurie Goodstein).
Then today (Wed., 3/14/12), the Times continued its attack with a misleading and error-laced editorial.
First, the editorial claims that the Catholic Church is "threatening to expose private files" of victims in
Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests
Hunter at Random
Realizing that they would have to help themselves, Barbara and the original members started what has become the oldest and most effective advocacy and help group for the countless victims of clergy abuse throughout the
United States and Europe as well.
This story is just gonna break your heart:
Cardinal [Timothy M.] Dolan criticized a legislative proposal that would, for a year, drop the statute of limitations for filing civil claims for sexual offenses, allowing for lawsuits by people who say they were abused long ago. The cardinal said he was concerned that a flood of lawsuits over abuse by priests could drain the church of money it is using for charitable purposes.
Now Donahue is calling for victims to be ‘fought one-by-one’ so the church can save money.
He claims that Catholic bishops are reaching the conclusion that “they had better toughen up and go out and buy some good lawyers to get tough.” “We don’t need altar boys,” he told the New York Times.
He says he’s backing an effort by lawyers for two Missouri priests accused of abuse to subpoena email from Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests (SNAP
National Catholic Reporter
SNAP, the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests, came into existence in 1989, just five years after national attention was first focused on sexual molestation of minors by Catholic clergy. The founder, Barbara Blaine, is a survivor of abuse. The national director, David Clohessy, is also a survivor. SNAP came into existence because the institutional church, i.e., the bishops, could not and would not do anything to help the victims of the priests they were supposed to supervise.
Freethinker (United Kingdom)
According to the New York Times, the Church is planning to turn the tables on the advocacy group, SNAP, which has long supported victims of paedophile priests, by demanding that the group discloses more than two decades of e-mails that could include correspondence with victims, lawyers, whistle-blowers, witnesses, the police, prosecutors and journalists.
The ghastly Donohue said targeting the network was justified because:
Mr. Donohue said leading bishops he knew had resolved to fight back more aggressively against the group:
The Daily Beast - The Dish
Mr. Donohue said leading bishops he knew had resolved to fight back more aggressively against the group SNAP, [Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests]: “The bishops have come together collectively. I can’t give you the names, but there’s a growing consensus on the part of the bishops that they had better toughen up and go out and buy some good lawyers to get tough. We don’t need altar boys.”
He said bishops were also rethinking their approach of paying large settlements to groups of victims. “The church has been too quick to write a check, and I think they’ve realized it would be a lot less expensive in the long run if we fought them one by one,” Mr. Donohue said.
The Chronicle of Philanthropy
In recent months, the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests, known as SNAP, has been subpoenaed five times in connection with cases involving the
Mr. Clohessy said he was deposed for six hours by church lawyers in January and called the questioning “a fishing, crabbing, shrimping, trash-collecting, draining the pond expedition” intended to “harass and discredit and bankrupt SNAP.”
SNAP (Survivors Network of Those Abused by Priests) held a news conference at St. Mary's Church in Elm Grove.
Fr. Lauren Wenig, who served as pastor at St. Mary's, was placed on leave after being accused of abusing a child in 2011.
SNAP wants the names of accused abusers made public.
by Paul Canning
January 10, 2012
Catholic League President Bill Donohue has called victims of priest abuse and their advocates and supporters a “pitiful bunch of malcontents” and “professional victims.”
He made the comments on the League’s website in response to a conference organized to mark a decade since the Boston Catholic Church abuse scandal emerged. The comments are illustrated with an image of a crying baby.
He also said that Catholics had “moved on” and were not “wallowing in negativity.”
Donohue has been criticized multiple times for comments seen as lacking any sensitivity towards the victims of abuse by the church.